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  • 04/03/2008 @ 20:03 roze said:
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    Argh - i promised my daughter a kitten for her birthday. But cats and i have a somewhat scratchy history (with apologies to pinka and all cat lover). I read in her school newsletter today that there are seven black lab puppies for sale - and i found myself fixing an appointment with someone who is obviously breeding for money tomorrow evening. I had a dog - i love dogs - was brought up with them but my ex re-housed him when i was in a bad place last year and i could not get him back  - despite weeping down the telephone. But it is crazy cos i live in a rented place where you are not supposed to have animals - and and and ...oh damn - cannot think of a good reason ..it is not sensible ...i have since last weekend pretty much become a lone parent in terms of day to day care and my work is really busy now and and ......HELP! TALK ME OUT OF THIS!
  • 04/03/2008 @ 20:21 JayT said:
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    Hi Roze

    I think you've kinda addressed this through your deliberations but here's my view point... and it could be completely wrong but here goes....

    You've stated how busy life is for you, and actually underlined that it would be impractical to take on a dog. My only suggestion would be say no.... and consider that sometimes loving an animal has to become selfless, so therefore the animals needs comes above yours... I'm only thinking of practicalities such as walks, play, being home alone and such like... Ultimately, this could stretch your resources (physical and emotional) too far and become.

     As to the cat.... mmm, not so sure on that one. Cat's can be more independent and less demanding but although you are not a cat lover, my experience is more about how you develop a relationship with any animal. Always a difficult one to address, especially with the sensibilities of your daughter to consider.

    Anyway, I could be talking complete rubbish, but opinions are wonderful things as they can spark your own rationale.

    JayT

    xxx

  • 04/03/2008 @ 20:56 alba said:
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    I would compromise and get her a hamster for now- they are cudly, too. I don`t know how old your daughter is but if the wish for a bigger animal continues after she is old enough to look after the pet herself you may consider a dog again.

    My daughter also wanted a dog but with noone at home during the day it had to be left too much alone. Luckily someone in the neighborhood was looking for at dogwalker- now she walks a dog 3 times a week and earns a little money doing it.

    Hope this helps you make a descision?

  • 04/03/2008 @ 21:11 Wolfie said:
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    We have a wonderful dog in our family - a labrador - a complete idiot, bonkers as hell, fantastic with the children and generally a wonderful companion. But, and this is what you need to consider - she is now getting older and is on permanent painkillers and other medicine for her arthritis (which costs a fortune), any trip away from home longer than a few hours needs be planned with military precision (and even your own family may have 'allergies' and hence not be welcoming of your sweet and lovely dog), they deposit large quantities of hair around the place and I won't even bring up what happens when they are ill, from either end..... It is a MASSIVE 10+ year commitment.

    Can you? Should you? 

  • 04/03/2008 @ 21:15 Swon said:
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    Roze, please don't do it.

     

    Okay your little girl will be upset but any pet is a tie and to consider a Labrador is, I'm sorry to say, probably not the brightest idea you've had today.

     

    They are truly beautiful animals, but add to that, big, hungry, in need of LOTS of exercise which you would have to give it unless your child is exceptionally strong. They are expensive to run (have you been to the vet recently?) and can do a lot of damage if left alone all day.

     

    To get a dog, any dog, in your situation would be unfair on both it and you, and when it all gets too much and you have to get rid of it, how upset is your little girl going to be then?

     

    Have I convinced you yet?

     

    A hampster or guinea pig would be a reasonable compromise if your daughter just wants a pet to fuss and look after but otherwise you need to be cruel to be kind and say no.

     

    Sorry, no other way to say all that.

    Good luck

  • 04/03/2008 @ 21:19 roze said:
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    But i don't like guinea pigs - small hogs with lots of hair and deeply uninteresting - when i started my road to recovery in Philadelphia there was a lab who came and put his big sloppy head on me every time i could sit for more than a moment. arrggh - you are all so reasonable - and so right ..and...
  • 04/03/2008 @ 21:32 Swon said:
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    OK you don't like guinea pigs, try gerbils, mice, white rats, fish (but in a proper aquarium)  hampster, snake, giant land snail, tarantula.

    Anything but a cute little puppy that will soon grow into a large eating and pooping machine.

     

    Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, I like all animals, better than most people I've met if I'm honest (BWW excepted) but please Roze, take a sensible pill.

     

    No offense intended.

  • 04/03/2008 @ 22:56 el mariachi said:
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    Hey Roze, I don't blame you, I am the same I want a Staffy but where I live it is impractical. I also like in a unit and even though I have a locked up backyard, I don't think it would be right for me to get a dog. I am a busy person and I couldn't give a dog the love and support it would need, plus I like to travel, still this doesn't stop me from going into every pet store I ever pass.
    Pets are however very healing so ? but if you are not meant to have one then it can make things tricky with the landlord so there is another thing to weigh up. Sorry matey, didn't want to say it but I think if you weigh up the pros and cons, it isn't going to end in the result you want. That saying, I wish I could have a dog to :(

  • 04/03/2008 @ 23:46 cate said:
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    Dear Roze -I can see your dilemma This may be a  time for one of those pros and cons lists  Remember that logic and emotion will conflict even in making the list.

    Hey  if you're looking for more stress- this is from my perspective as a dog owner- go ahead. There is a time and place for pets in one's life  . It's  quite a responsibility as you know . The age of your child comes in to  it and the temperament of the dog.  Our younger child at the age of 9 accidentally trod on our sleeping dog's tail. The injuries were terrible . A smaller  child could have been killed .The dog was otherwise friendly and devoted . The dog was put down our child recovered and years later we bought a very small dog. But the experience looking back was HORRIFIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love , Cate

     

  • 05/03/2008 @ 00:45 benn said:
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    Roze,  I also have a dog - a 13 year old Springer Spaniel Lab - my absolute, no doubt about it reason for coming home each night.  I agree with most of the posters here that you have to be prepared to spend a LOT of time with a lab pup.  A few of my friends have recently adopted dogs and the most common complaint is that they had forgotten how much time and energy a new puppy demands.  By rule of thumb, you should consider that the first five years your life will revolve around planning for the dog including house training, routine exercise both morning and evening, obediance training, trips to the vet, overnight care should you want to take off for a few nights, replacing/repairing whatever the puppy gets into, etc.  If all goes well, by the 5th year, you should be able to comfortably leave the dog for longer periods of time without worry about home demolition.  Labs are chasers - they will hunt down whatever runs.  With proper training they can be wonderful pets.  Mine goes with me everywhere and is rarely leashed, stops on command and follows me throughout the house.  Without proper training, even a top breed could cause much distress.  I recommend cancelling tomorrow's appointment.  Especially if the breeder is in it just for the money.  If you see it, you will love it and want it.  You must first commit in your mind that this is something you are really prepared for.
  • 05/03/2008 @ 04:41 johnf said:
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    Roze, I'm afraid a promise is a promise, and going back on a promise to one of your offspring is a bad idea - unless, of course, you can blame somebody else...

    There are some old cliches about cats: dogs have masters, cats have slaves; the only reason cats stay with humans is that nobody makes a can opener that can be used by paw; a dog comes when you call it, a cat takes a message and might get back to you later, and so on ad nauseam. But a cat as a companion animal has a lot going for it. Cats are low maintenance. A well-fed cat will keep itself clean. A badly-fed cat will feed itself. Do you have a neighbour with a fishpond? If you do, feeding problem solved...

     

    Here in Australia cat-keeping is a bad idea in lots of areas, due to their liking for small native animals and birds and their not liking to be shut in at night. But in most of Europe cats have been part of the ecosystem for so long that they present no danger to the balance of nature. Go ahead and keep your promise - you will feel better for it. Just make sure your sprog takes responsibility for cleaning up after it.

     

    Rotsa Ruck.

  • 05/03/2008 @ 04:48 johnf said:
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    Me again. I forgot to mention my experience with Labrador puppies (common to everyone I have ever known who has brought one up). You need the patience of a veritable saint to own a Lab in its first two years of life. Labs have an insatiable curiosity that leads them to investigate to the point of destruction anything and everything in their reach. If you have doubts about a cat, have no doubt about a juvenile Labrador. Avoid at all costs (else the costs will be more than just considerable).
  • 05/03/2008 @ 06:42 UMxx said:
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    Hey Roze,  The promise you made to your daughter is for a kitten.  I don't know whether your daughter feels the same way about puppies as kittens - just reading through the thread it's easy to see that people have preferences.

    I reckon that you might like to promise yourself a dog but you need to make a gift of that for your own birthday or some other occassion:) - but I think your daughter might like you to keep your promise to her and unless you are able to tell her well in advance that you are not allowed to have pets and you are sorry for making a promise you can't keep, then I reckon you need to honour your promise.  This is going to be a memorable occassion one way or another - either your daughter will remember the delight of the kitten for her birthday or remember not getting the kitten.  Don't leave it to the birthday though it would probably be a bit of a heartbreak for her.

    As for me, I love both cats and dogs.  At the moment I have one of each and would love to have more - as for hamsters and other small animals well they don't really make me feel the same.  A horse, a cow - they could be good and I had a great time when I was a kid looking after a friends piglet - then I had a pet lamb that had been abandoned.  

    I chose to buy a cat first - my mum had died and after years of spending every holiday travelling to stay with her, we could now stay at home and I decided to get a cat. I really wanted a black and white female and I went out the RSPCA to find one - there were three to choose from but then I saw a fat little fluffy ginger tom who had just come back from having his bits snipped.  I decided that he would need a cuddle after his ordeal and asked if I could give him a pat.  So the attendant opened the door and out ran the crazy 8 week old kitten - simply tearing up the corridor straight past me who by now was down on my haunches ready to pet hem.  He skidded to a halt - sauntered back down the corridor to me, climber up my leg and polar fleece jacket, curled around my neck and started playing with my earring.  So much for the black and white female - I had been chosen.    He is a double coated gentle giant - just great with my kids and tolerant of my dog - who arrived about two years later.

    During the time, of dealing with the grief of my mum's death, nothing was as comforting as having the kitten curl up on my lap and be with me.  As he got older he became more independant - now he chooses between the laps of all four of the humans in the house and sometimes cuddles up with the dog (must be cold though). Cats are company without being too needy, funny to play with - lengths of twine and ping pong balls, and fairly easy to look after.  Your daughter might find her cat to be a play mate, a bed warmer, a confidant, a subject for drawings and writings and songs and so on.  I have so many happy memories  as a young girl - with cats and I love seeing my kids play with ours and the fun never ends.

    Sorry this is so long but I thought cats needed an advocate - whatever you decide roze, not easy but as with all things it is often the smallest things that define a relationship - so you will work it out in context of how you want to build your relationship with your daughter. The kitten is not really the central issue it is your relationship and you don't have to buy her a kitten as long as you are honest with her and deal with it early.

    Can I change my nickname to catwoman? 

      

  • 05/03/2008 @ 07:05 cate said:
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    Dear Roze unionmaid/ catwoman has said it all so beautifully .   The promise made is central to the issue . Its so easy-  I know from hard  experience- to  commit to something our children desperately want  .If  I have any doubts   about whether I can fulfill a request I try to remember to preface my response with 'I need to think this through' or ' I'll do my best but I can't promise'.

     I often find it hard to fight my need to please , something I think a lot of women are raised to do What are your thoughts on this? Love , Cate X

     

  • 05/03/2008 @ 08:31 Isabella said:
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    Get a big furry Angora rabbit!
  • 05/03/2008 @ 09:31 carol said:
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    How old is your daughter? The shop had no cats but I got you this lovely canary who will sing all day and you can feed yourself etc........... Its called wise lies. Ahh, I remember a canary I had who nearly made me cry for joy, such a beautiful singer........ and almost no trouble except for the cat I also had who was always trying to eat her.........
  • 05/03/2008 @ 10:03 roze said:
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    You are all so totally wonderful! I am so glad that this talkabout will exist for ever and that my daughter can read it when she is grown up. Now she is just six. Some of your comments made me howl with laughter and some - like cate's experience - were deeply touching. I have found this so very helpful - and i will honour my promise to my little one - and go on a cat bonding course or something! It is just that every cat i have ever come across has tended to spit at me, bite or scratch - and i am not sure what i do wrong...... I know i am still going to have a dilemma about whether to go this afternoon - but if i see it (although i secretly suspect it is not a pure lab and is probably crossed with a greyhound or something - which would do wonders for my fitness levels) i will fall - and that means i probably have to cancel. But i will get a dog within the year - i am determined - and until then ..here kitty kitty ....(ooh ..there's a thought...a lion cub maybe?)