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Wife going back to work... not happy

  • 18/01/2008 @ 11:40 dalek said:
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    Hello everyone - I read about this site in the TImes last week and was going to come on to get some financial advice, but seeing the sort of stuff you are talking about - I actually have another, perhaps more important issue I would like to get off my chest

    My wife gave birth to our first child just over 6 months ago. A little boy, who we both obviously adore. The thing is she wants to go back to work, and I am not sure I am happy about it. I have a good job and so she can afford not to, but she worked for an agency in a job that is very stressful, but that she  enjoys.

    I have heard that putting children in childcare too young can be damaging to some children, and I am worried that our boy is just too young at barely 7 months. I understand my wife wanting to get her career back, and this was what we discussed - but I cant help but feel she is going against her instincts. Plus I am worried that her job will stress her out again (she almost had a breakdown because of it about 2 years ago) and it will be too much,

    I think because a lot of her friends are successful career women, she feels she needs to keep up with them (they are quite a competative bunch of women!)... but obviously these days the whole stay at home/working mother debate is sensitive, so I dont know how to tell her my opinion without sounding like an insensitive 1950's husband...

    I'd appreciate anyones feedback...

    oh - and anyone who knows anything about invesco perpetual funds would be useful too! 

  • 18/01/2008 @ 12:32 roze said:
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    Hello dalek - welcome to Big White Wall. I have no idea about the funds thingy - i am hopeless with money - but i have had experience of the whole childcare issue. First of all, congratulatioins on becoming a father. I can really understand that you worry about your child going into childcare when so tiny but i actually feel there are real benefits so long as it is the right childcare. They  are with other babies and learn social skills much more quickly. But i know how hard it is and you will have to be prepared for some crying to begin with as your little one adjusts. I have left nursery with tears pouring down my face but i also worked in a nursery as a parent volunteer and kids stop crying as soon as their parent leaves.

    Now on to your wife. Most women i know, myself included, would have gone crazy as full time mothers but also experienced some guilt at putting their baby into childcare. The advice given to me was to never experience guilt as that was going to bring all sorts of the wrong emotions into my relationship with my child - and that quality time together was more important than quantity. And i truly believe that to be the case. I have travelled a lot for work and my daughter and i were apart for up to ten days at a time. I am away at the moment actually. Also you have to have 100% belief in the childcare you use. If you know your child is safe and being cared for and stimulated then that is all that matters.

    However, it does sound really important that you are able to check with your wife that it is her honest choice to go back to work. I don't think you need to sound 1950s - i would imagine that she would appreciate you asking if she really wanted to go back to work or whether she wold prefer to work part time for a while. I would not, however, question her decision by saying you feel it is too early for your child - as i think that could sound critical of her choice and reinforce any feelings of guilt she may have.   Also i think suggesting to her that she is trying to keep up with her friends may have an adverse reaction too. So my feelings- if you were my partners a gentle question about what i was really feeling would be much appreciated - so long as my response was not questioned! Let us know how it goes!

  • 18/01/2008 @ 18:21 SwimUpstream said:
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    have you talked to her about going part time? I was just on the phone to a girlfriend of mine who has just had a baby and she wasn't sure what she wanted to do, go back to work or stay home. Her husband suggested she go back full time for two months and see how she felt during that time, if at any point she wanted to go part time (or leave!) she could (lucky thing!) but at least that way she had given it a go...

    I think there is a lot of pressure on women to go back to work, some want to, some are not so sure... she is in a lucky position that she has options though, so perhaps she just needs to explore them all and make a decision from there? 

  • 19/01/2008 @ 17:21 julius said:
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    I struggle when I read of women returning to work.   My wife returned to the office when the children were 3 and 5.  Over the next two years her working hours increased to almost full time and more and more I was called away from our family business to deal with all domestic crises leaving my clients and bank balance in disarray.   Last year she went full time and then overtime by moving in with her boss.  I am now the fulltime provider, parent and sometimes a person. Its not always about the woman.

     

      

  • 19/01/2008 @ 22:37 Wolfie said:
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    Dear dalek, you have raised one of the trickiest issues in any modern day marriage! And sadly there is no right answer!  I speak from the perspective of someone who has done both - I spent two years at home and have worked ever since - so guess which side of the equation I am going to end up on!!!

     

    For many reasons, I believe that a woman should, if she WANTS to and is happy to, work.  The first is for her sanity - after two years of being at home and talking about babies in interminable coffee mornings, I had lost all sense of myself - I no longer respected who I was and neither, to be honest, did my husband.  I was not what he married.  The second reason is that by staying at home, the wife continues the belief that a woman's place is in the home.  If sons and daughters see a mother at home for a number of years - women will never achieve equality.  Oh, and by the way, getting a job when you 'return to work' is not that easy either.

     

    So, if you ask me, no - families function best as a team. With as much equality as possible between the team leaders ... if your wife want to go back to work, let her.... and support her in as many ways as possible.  Life with children changes life for the both of you - live with it and make some changes. 

  • 21/01/2008 @ 15:38 SleeplessKnight said:
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    Ooh this is a tricky one - but I have to just  question one thing from my friend Wolfie:

    'f sons and daughters see a mother at home for a number of years - women will never achieve equality.'  - Why? Why is it that stay at home mums are seen as 'unequal'?  Surely if we are talking about economic equality that is an issue for the government and business to achieve for women who want to return to work, but those that dont shouldn't be made to feel liker lesser beings who their children cant be proud of or look up to!  I would argue that sons and daughters should be proud of the woman who dedicated years of her life to their childhood wellbeing, in the same way they should be proud of a mum who runs for prime minister!!

    Why must one be 'better' than the other?? 

  • 21/01/2008 @ 19:10 Swon said:
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    Dalek, this discussion is raising more questions than answers and I think that there are probably more to come but in reality there is no right or wrong answer because everyone's situation is different, maybe only slightly, but different nonetheless.

     

    A big difference in these times is the lack of the extended family. When I was a kid in the 1950's my grandmother lived with us and she virtually rasied me from the age of 3 to about 10 so that my mother could go back to work. She didn't want to but she had no choice, money was very tight and that was the case in a lot of families post-war.

     

    Your situation is the polar opposite, you say you can afford for your wife not to work but she wants to.

     

    In my own situation we could not afford for my wife not to work; not if we wanted holidays, a new car, bigger house etc, but we took the decision that the children would benefit more from their mothers full time care than a foreign holiday and big garden.

     

    So, there you go, three situations and three sets of reasoning, none wrong maybe none right and if you get stories from 100 others, you will get as many variation and justifications. Where it leaves us is what has already been said; you are the only ones who can decide what is going to work for you, it is no one elses business and no one elses responsibility.

     

    I wish you well

  • 22/01/2008 @ 14:54 ablely said:
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    I think one of the things to think about is what you do when your children have left which I posted about a while back.

    Its not so easy to get back in to the workplace and when you look back on it, your children only really take up at 15 years of your life. At 16 they become more or less independent.

    I certainly feel a bit lost now and generally undervalued by society. 

  • 04/02/2008 @ 11:33 dalek said:
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    It has been a rather strange couple of weeks. Thank you to everyone who has replied, and I realise that this is a very sensitive subject to post on here about. I consider myself to be a modern man, but if I am honest I really really want my wife to be a mother to our child - i dont want her to go back to work. I never thought I would feel like this because I was attracted to my wife in part duie to her successes and independence, but now that our son is here I want him brought up by his mother. I tried to approach this with her but she was having none of it. Although at the same time i hear her say to her own mother 'i dont know how i am going to handle being away from him when I go back to work'. i am now biting my tongue as it seems i am not to have an opinion on this without offending her, but i dont understand why suddenly no one wants to be a mum full time any more... isn't that, on a very biological level, what women are meant to do?
  • 04/02/2008 @ 11:57 Isabella said:
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    Hi Dalek.  Well, I've been working for a few years, and have a stressful job with 3 children below the age of 11 years.  They have been in daycare since a few months old, my youngest was 2 when I sent her for the first time.  I have a career and not a job, and it's also a male-dominated one, so it's tough. Anyway, I think you should give your wife some space to make up her own mind.  I relate to her decision and there was a time that I could never consider myself being a full time mum, because I tryly love my work.  Now that I'm getting older, my insights are changing and I would love to have the option of being a full time mum.  She is lucky, because she has a choice.  And eventually she might realise that.  She's obviously working for herself and what she can gain from it, and not because you need the money...  Which is great and respect her decision.  We're all different, but sometimes we change.

    My children are incredibly independent, and very happy well-adjusted children excelling individually. I don't regret my decisions and I never had an option of staying home, but luckily I chose a career I love and benefit from.  I too believe in quality time and think of it this way; 7 years from now, your son will be off to school in the mornings... Good luck and bite your tongue.  You don't want her resenting you for the rest of her life! Isabella 

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