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  • 04/05/2008 @ 15:19 hollie18 said:
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    I have been married now for nearly 18 years, & have wanted to leave for such a long time.  The problem is that I do not want to break up the family while my children are still at home. The youngest one is nearly 13 & is close to his Dad, & I just can't cause him so much upset.

    My husband has been the original 'Mr Angry' - not happy with anything from work to family life, & is so negative & pessimistic by nature, that it has ruined my happiness.  I have told him the effects his behaviour have on me several times during our marriage, & the final straw came a couple of years ago, when I felt that I couldn't stand it any longer.  I told him I wanted to leave, & he begged me to stay.

    I couldn't afford to support myself then, & decided that I would stay until my son left home. However, this decision is having an adverse effect on my health - I am constantly stressed, & the children have commented on how unhappy I look.

    My husband has threatened suicide if we are not together, & does not seem to realise how much he is loved by his children. I also want to stay friends with him, but he cannot see a future if we are not together. By nature I am optimistic & happy, & the way I am feeling is such a strain on me emotionally.

    The biggest problem for me is that I can't see a way through the next few years, without making myself really ill with anxiety etc.  I would love to be on my own with the children, & feel very positive about being able to cope. I have spoken to my parents, & they are very supportive.

    A few weeks ago my 16 year old daughter saw me in tears, & I told her a little about how I was feeling. My husband has been horrible to her for a long time too, & she understood. I do not want to load this onto her, but I want them both to know that I am unhappy, but it is not because of them.

    HELP PLEASE

     

     

  • 04/05/2008 @ 17:26 UMxx said:
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    hello hollie18,

     

    Welcome to the Wall.  You sound as if you are being squashed at the moment by your situation - that's pretty tough for anyone to deal with.

     

    I know that you have written that you want your husband and daughter to understand how unhappy you are - well I think your daughter probably knows and perhaps she is not really able to do too much to support you in this.  As your daughter she needs to be doing her own development and growing up - it might be too much for her to step up into a very adult position of support.

     

    Do you think that your husband might benefit from help from a therapist or someone qualified to deal with the way that he is behaving?  I guess that you have been through this with him.  It sounds though as if you are the meat in the sandwich trying to keep your family together and have little hope because of the behaviour of your husband.  Would it give you any hope if he did get help?  Even if it gave you space to have a better dialogue about what is happening to you in marriage.

     

    I think the threat made by your husband are only increasing the pressure on you and I wonder if he could see that it is having a negative not a positive impact?  

     

    right now the best thing I can send is all my best wishes to you - stay in touch and let us know if you could talk to him about seeking help.  Thinking of you  UM xx 

  • 05/05/2008 @ 02:13 cate said:
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    Hi Hollie . Welcome to the community . I am so sorry for what you and your family are going through. What  I  am hearing is that  the love your children have for him is not enough for him to  reign in his negative feelings . Is there  enough love for each other for the marriage  to survive ? What else is going on his life to make him such a misery?

    Without a doubt your health will suffer and your resentment grow if some resolution is not reached soon. The children must feel the tension and are  suffering .   Not knowing much about your family  it is hard to say how your husband  would  react to a divorce . Have you ever trialled a separation? Where are your in-laws? Are they supportive of the family? Do they know how  things are between you?

      If you  are not in counselling already it would be good to do so even if it means helping your husband to come to terms with your wish for divorce.

    Just a few thoughts . with best wishes and hugs, Cate

  • 05/05/2008 @ 15:24 roze said:
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    Hollie - welcome. It sounds as if you are in a very difficult and painful situation. I would just offer a couple of observations from my own experience. Kids pick up a lot from what is happening in a relationship and sometimes there is greater damage staying in an unhealthy relationship for the sake of kids rather than forging your own life.

    It sounds as if your husband is quite lost to himself - and very dependent on you - and these two may well be inter-twined. I am wondering how long you have wanted to leave for - how long you have been carrying around this unhappiness. Are you getting any support from those around you? For you to make any decision it may be important to find a space that is wholly yours - perhaps even a counsellor/therapist - where you can express that anxiety and work through what is going to be best for you......

     I deeply empathise with your situation - living around passive aggressive behaviour is extremely tough. I feel the depth of your unhappiness. Take care and keep talking here. Hugs roze

  • 05/05/2008 @ 22:32 hollie18 said:
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    Thank you so much for your kind thoughts & advice.  The root of my husband's behaviour lies in his feelings of unfulfilment in relation to his career. He spent a long time studying & had high hopes of his chosen career, but it has not turned out how he planned. This has left him with a huge chip on his shoulder & a lot of anger, which has been directed at the people closest to him.

    I started to feel unhappy after our daughter was born, 16 years ago, and my feelings for him have been gradually eroded over time. I feel that every special occasion & holiday have been spoiled by him, & you just can't get that precious time with your children back again. The only way I can describe it is like a series of lights going out inside me, until the final light went out at New Year 2006.

    Since then I have known deep down that I cannot love him again, but I have responsibilities to my children, & do not want to disrupt their childhood. I do not have a lot of support to be honest - my parents know what is going on but there is a limit to what they can do.  My husband's mum lives nearby, but she doesn't know about our problems.

    A counsellor could probably help me get my thoughts in order, but I'm very hesitant because I would need to go through everything with them, & I don't feel strong enough at the moment. I find myself avoiding other people, because it is such a strain behaving like everything is alright. I just want to retreat into myself & be left alone.

    I have imagined being on my own with the children, & in the New Year the 3 of us had a lovely day away together. I felt really happy all day, & they opened up to me more than usual.

    My husband has been much better over the last few months, & seems to think I should put it all behind me, but I know I can't. He is expecting too much from me, & still doesn't fully understand the impact his behaviour has had on me.

     

     

  • 06/05/2008 @ 07:31 UMxx said:
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    hey Hollie18,

     

    from a long time retreater and lover of being left alone - it never gets any better.  I want to encourage you to think about seeing a therapist inspite of the pain and the effort because I think it is perhaps the most effective way for individuals to dig out of the holes we get trapped in.  I look back on a good 20 plus years of hiding in my own little emotional cave and thinking why didn't I listen to that person who told me that just maybe someone else could help me and I didn't have to do it myself.  

     

    I thought I was being self sufficient and strong - but I was just butt stupid.  I have spent too much of my life fiddling around instead of living it.  I am not suggesting this is what you are doing but in recognising this regret in my own life, I share my story if only in the hope that you might consider that there is a possiblity that therapy might be of help.

     

    big hug UM xx 

  • 06/05/2008 @ 08:56 darling said:
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    Hello Hollie, Let me add my voice to the others.  Please do seek therapy/counselling.  I speak from recent experience.  It takes time but the relief of having another individual listen and suggest possible solutions week after week is enormous.  Gradually the burden begins to lighten and you begin to see a way forward.  It is really important to talk particularly to someone with a professional knowledge of human behaviour and thought processes. I have found the BWW very helpful too, so keep talking here as well. There is hope.  Take the first step. Be kind to yourself and take good care.  My heart goes out to you. 

    Darling

  • 21/07/2008 @ 20:05 younger said:
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    I have to be honest hollie - i have just spent a weekend thinking exactly the same thing and am wondering if the thoughts go away again.

    Did they for you?

  • 22/07/2008 @ 05:47 jc601am said:
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    My thoughts are with you, as I to am going through a similar situation, the only difference is that you know where your husbands anger is coming from, he has over time squashed any love that you had for him and it seems to have become an enourmous drain on you, I am at the moment considering a seperation, but do not know what the reaction is going to be, I too have stayed for the sake of the children but I am slowly realizing that I am an individual and need to be allowed to be a person without being put down or critisised for the smallest of things.  The children, I think will cope as they can see the situation, but i too worry that my husband wont cope. For the sake of yourself, (and you only live once) why should your life be like this? you have kept the family together and have raised two wonderful children, something you should be very proud of, but you need to think of yourself too, so please seek a councellor if you can, although I know this is not always as easy as it sounds. Best of luck XX

  • 22/07/2008 @ 09:13 Brown Bear said:
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    Despite your husband's threats I think you should not be swayed by them - its highly unlikely that he would actually do himself a mischief.  I've been divorced twice, the second hit me really hard but it doesn't bother me now at all.

     

    I think you could persuade your husband that life has a lot more to offer than the uncomfortable situation in which he finds himself.  Yes, he will be angry that he will have to pay maintenance if you split up, but if you give the children a free choice of which parent to be with at any time, it will encourage him to relate better to them after the split and to make sure that whoever he teams up with, is acceptable to the kids. 

     

    Yes, encourage him to think of divorce as a positive step in his life: there are thousands of women who have had to part for whatever reason, looking for new partners, and show him that bowing to the inevitable looks sensible.  BB

  • 22/07/2008 @ 14:07 roze said:
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    I feel that kids are better with separated or divorced parents than parents in continual conflict or never-ending silence. Just so long as they are encouraged to feel free to be in contact with the other parent and positively reinforced in their feelings for the other. And if you are not happy in a relationship then perhaps it may be better for all if there is separation?
  • 23/07/2008 @ 07:47 cleo said:
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    Wow, great talkabout.  I loved reading that I am not the only one hides in an "emotional cave" or retreats into myself all the time.  (doing those things can be sanity saving at times though)

    Tomorrow I am going to court to file for my divorce and I think the hardest part of the whole experience of separation was making the decision and then following thru with belief in myself - even when others could be so hostile.  Lots of meditation and focusing helped.  (probably mostly done with cigarettes which probably didnt really help)

    I agree with Roze about the "never-ending silence" - all that negativity can't be good for kids.  I like to think that my kids learnt about healing and surviving from my separation.

    My local council has a family support service where I sought some free counselling and it was brilliant.  The space for my pain/fear etc to be heard was just so helpful.

    Keep your head up and please stay strong.  Be your own hero!

  • 26/07/2008 @ 01:21 cleo said:
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    Hey Hollie.  Been thinking about you a bit and I hope that you are finding some clarity  in your life and maybe finding some peace within yourself. 

    I've done the journey and been granted my divorce and I've got to say that I am really glad I've been through it.  When I was in the midst of it all, I hated it and lived with a knot of anxiety through my body.  But now ... it's okay and the kids are okay.  The legal system wasn't too bad, I've learnt to deal with my issues rather than pay a solicitor.  Just take it slow, ask lots of questions and read all the fine print. Yes we are rather poor and that is awful - I won't even try and put a positive spin on that one.

    Having said that, I do wish my marriage hadn't failed and I envy those with strong loving relationships.  

    Let us know how you are.

  • 26/07/2008 @ 07:44 fabulouscover said:
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    Hol-

    maybe i can offer you a perspective as a young person. When I was around the same age of your children my parents got a divorce. Let me tell you it was the best thing that could have happened to us in my opinion. Even then, as young as I was, i NEVER thought that their divorce was a bad idea.

    I think a lot of people would agree (as someone stated here earlier) that living in hell with married parents is FAR worse than living a normal life with divorced parents. You mentioned that your kids can tell how unhappy you are. Do they know its because of the pain your broken marriage has caused you? If in fact they are aware of that then they will most likely understand WHY you need to leave him.

    You have to make it clear that you are NOT trying to take them away from their father if you divorce. Around time of the divorce my mother used to bad mouth my dad in front of us all the time. She would engage us in details as to why my dad was this and that. Let me tell you thats nOT what a kids wants to here. ESP a hormonal teenager. I lost trust in both parents for a while.

     So even though its great that you opened up to your 16 year old, in my opinion it may stress them out if they know EVERY detail about why ur marriage isnt working.

    Im sure you have done this, but whatever you do make both kids aware of the fact that THEY are not the cause of the divorce.

    I Dont know if this will be helpful because its pretty much what everyone else was saying...but if you want to ask me more things i would be happy to give you a young persons opinion

  • 19/08/2008 @ 00:00 BigDream123 said:
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    hey im just going to say something from a kids point of view on divorce

    my parents got divorsed when i was 14,my brother was 18 and my sister was 21 if they like there dad there going to be pretty pissed off and they may take it out on you, my brother blamed my mom for divorce and hated her, he would barely speack to her so divorse is really hard and its even worse on kids just think long and hard about the kids and what would happen, before you descide anything

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